A text transcript of the message preached at Elijah Ministries on 13/01/07


Interesting times we live in….every time I begin preparing a sermon, it feels like my whole world comes crashing down around me – whatever can go wrong, goes wrong. I’m beginning to understand why PJ becomes so weary. Yesterday, my wife and children were victims of an armed robbery at McCulloch and Bothwell, while they were buying school uniforms. Although everyone was a bit traumatized at having guns held to their heads, all we lost was worldly goods and we give thanks to the Lord for His protection over us. Life in South Africa is not for sissies!

I lost quite a lot of preparation time because of that, and so I hope that you would all patiently bear with me today. Perhaps someone out there will be blessed by this message. 

Shall we pray. Father, we humble ourselves before you and we give you thanks Lord that you have brought us back together to worship you anew in Spirit and in Truth. We give you thanks for the awesome privilege of being able to study your Word and being able to worship you. As I minister today Lord I ask that in my weakness you would be my strength. Meet with us now Father, and I pray that your Word would speak to our hearts and give us understanding and that you would bless each and every one of us here today. In Jesus name. Amen.

 What a wonderful privilege it is to be able to stand here before you once again.

I trust you are all rested and rearing to face the challenges of the new year…..  2007, gosh time flies… it feels as if it was just the other day that we were celebrating the milennium.


So what will the New Year bring? All of us wonder what will happen in 2007?

Will it be better than last year? Will I be happier than I was last year? Will I be more successful this year? I think I’ve lost count how many times I’ve said that the New Year can’t possibly be worse than the last. The ungrateful human heart knows know boundaries, and what’s even worse, is that the Bible says in Ecclesiastes 1:8,  that the eye of man is never satisfied, and again in chapter 4:8 it says: the eye of man is never satisfied, not even with riches.

 We always want more, despite what the Lord has blessed us with, we are never quite happy with what we’ve got, never quite satisfied. And this is what we learnt from PJ’s teaching last year on Ecclesiastes – that life on earth, with everything it has to offer – is absolutely meaningless without a relationship with the Lord. Everything is vanity without the Lord.  And as we wonder what 2007 will bring, the reality that faces us, is that in many respects, life will be very much the same this year as it was last year, without satisfaction… and why is that?  because of the vice of human greed, we will never quite be satisfied.

 Proverbs 27:20  confirms this: Hell and destruction are never satisfied, Nor are the eyes of man ever satisfied.

 Now this is a big problem I believe, in that many of us measure our happiness and success with

·        how well our careers are progressing,

·        with how much money we are making and

·        with the quality of life we are leading.

We pursue the world’s yardsticks for happiness. And it shouldn’t be this way, should it?

 How many of us measure our success in life with

·        how the Bible would measure it,

·        with how Jesus would measure it?

·        With how much we have grown in the Lord,

·        with how much we have suffered for Christ’s sake,

·        with how well we have served Jesus, or

·        with how well we followed His will?

Shouldn’t that be our yardstick, as Christians?


And as Ecclesiastes says, without the Lord, life is meaningless, there is no satisfaction, even Mick Jagger realised that. The Bible says man will never be happy with what he’s got in terms of material goods, in terms of worldly wealth or things of the flesh.

 But there is a way to get true satisfaction in your life … turn with me to Proverbs 19.

 Proverbs 19:23 The fear of the LORD leads to life: and he that has it shall live satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.

 Here it tells us what we need to live a satisfied life?…..and Proverbs says, it’s the fear of the Lord…

 And today I want to discuss this a little further. The fear of the Lord.

 Now we as Christians profess to love Jesus, right? Does anyone here love Jesus?…..

Does anyone here love Jesus?…..Hallelujah!

I got a bit worried there….

 We love Him because He first loved us. And the Bible says in John 14:15  "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.


So now I have another question for you - How can anyone who calls himself a lover of Jesus knowingly continue in sin?

As followers of Christ, we claim to be delivered from sin's power. We testify that the cross has redeemed us from the bondage of iniquity. Yet multitudes of believers today continue to cling to sin, to their lusts, to sinful habits, to grudges; many have bitterness and anger in their hearts.


So where are these Christians, you might ask? Well, they're all around you. You find them worshipping in churches every Sunday. They raise their hands in praise to God for delivering them. They witness to others of Christ's power to change their life…. …..But they won't let go of their secret sin.

These Christians are everywhere….. and sometimes ….if we look really carefully, we can even find them in our mirrors..


Sadly, many such Christians believe nothing can break sin's grip on them. They try every known method to get free of their bondage, but no amount of prayer, counseling or convicting sermons seems to help. Their sin just keeps entwining itself around their heart like a serpent, until it has full control of their life. And they end up carrying an agonizing burden of guilt and condemnation.


Paul asks, Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

We have received such incredible blessings in Christ, how can we continue to sin?


The fact is, the longer we indulge our secret sin, the stronger its hold on us becomes. It's like a cancer that spreads throughout our entire being, defiling all our thoughts and actions. Its decaying power wreaks destruction in every area of our lives - from our walk with Christ, to our relationships, to our finances, to everything we touch.


And what’s most important to realize is that sin will never die by itself. If you think it will whither away on it’s own, then Satan is laughing in your face. Your sin needs to be torn up by the roots, cut off and destroyed, otherwise it will become the very throne of your life.


First it will affect your conscience, causing you to lose discernment. The difference between right and wrong starts to become clouded and fuzzy. Slowly, you begin to justify your lust – sometimes even giving scriptural arguments to support it. Finally, you become "sermon proof" – you go to church and listen, professing to be a Christian, but you no longer respond to the conviction of the Holy Spirit. A sermon-proof Christian.




I believe that this is what is being talked about in 2 Timothy 3:5 where it says that in the last days men will have a form of godliness, but they will deny the power thereof:

Acts 1:8 also talks about this power:  But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be witnesses to me in Jerusalem and in all Judea and to the ends of the earth.

It says that by being born again, we are given great power – but what is this power that they talk about?


Some believe it’s the power to become  "King's kids", to claim the victory now, some believe it’s power to bind the devil, others believe it’s the power to claim dominion on earth and when we humans have gained dominion, only then will we give Jesus permission to come back -  this is what the False prophet from Lofdal preaches.

Like Jacob Prasch says, if we have power to bind the devil, he wants to know who keeps letting him loose!


Keep your place in Proverbs and turn with me to 1 John 5:

1 John 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.  (4)  For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.


And there is the answer to what this power is, to what this victory is.
We are given power to overcome the world, we are given power in love to keep His commandments, we are given power to………..OVERCOME SIN…. !

Power to overcome sin….. THAT’s the victory!


And those of us who don’t overcome our sin, we have a form of godliness, but we deny the power of the Holy Spirit working in us.


According to the promises of God, the Holy Spirit empowers us to live righteously and obey the Lord’s commands. But this promise is meant only for those who are ready to truly repent, who are ready to turn away from their sin, it’s for those who are sick of their sin, who see their sin for what it is, as an insult and an offence against the Lord God Almighty.




Do you see your sin for what it is? How seriously do you take your sin? If you don’t see your sin as a serious matter, do you really think that the Holy Spirit will ever help you and deliver you? If you think the Holy Spirit is going to free you from sin's grip without your full cooperation and repentance, you're seriously mistaken.


God forbid that any Christian should sit back and indulge his lust while waiting for the Holy Spirit to deliver him. God forbid. Such teaching just comforts Christians in their sin -  it misrepresents the Gospel and is a symptom of the church of Laodicea. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.


To put this in perspective, I try imagine, standing before the judgment seat of Christ, as we all will, one day soon,…….when His loving eyes fall on me…. In that moment, I'll have to give an account of my every deed and thought. And, as a disciple of Christ, I'll also have to account for the messages I preached to others but never lived up to myself. For all my hypocrisy.


The very thought of this scene should bring a holy fear to your heart, enough for you to cry out every day for His mercy. Do you want to hear the trumpet sound, and then find yourself standing before Jesus with your heart covered in lust?"


What will you say to Jesus then? What excuse will you give him for clinging to a root of bitterness, for having a heart full of anger, for harbouring a grudge, for your lust, for a sinful habit? Will you say, "Lord, I didn't know you would take this one sin so seriously. I thought you'd be patient with me, that your grace would abound toward me in it. I've always believed your promises, I just kept waiting for your Spirit to remove the sin from me."


Brothers and sisters, our Lord is coming soon, and this is no time to trifle with your sin, no matter how trivial you might think it is. Many righteous and upright believers, at one point in their lives grew careless and were overcome by their lust. So, don't think it can't happen to you.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.


We need to ask ourselves: "Why do I continue in my sin? Why does this evil still have a hold on me? Why am I not free?"




Exodus 20:20  Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid; for God has come in order to test you, and in order that the fear of Him may remain with you, so that you may not sin."

If the fear of God remains in you, chances are you won’t sin.

The reason we continue to sin is because many Christians have lost the fear of the Lord.


Proverbs 16:6 declares, By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.

Proverbs 3:7 Be not wise in your own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

Proverbs 14:26-27  In the fear of the LORD there is strong confidence, And his children will have refuge.  (27)  The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, That one may avoid the snares of death.


Without the fear of God, we cannot experience lasting deliverance from sin. We can't receive the full understanding of God's Word and His promises until His fear is rooted in us.


Psalm 25:14 The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will show them his covenant.

This verse connects an understanding of the Gospel with the fear of God. In short, all revelation, all the mysteries of God are tied to Holy fear.


And sadly, in many churches the fear of the Lord is gone. Society's permissiveness has invaded God's house. Just a few days ago, Bishop Ndungane, the leader of the Anglican church in South Africa, said that unity and reconciliation is more important than what the Bible says about the sin of homosexuality. The Anglican church says its fine to be a homosexual priest. Think about it… it’s fine for a man to commit sodomy and then go stand in the pulpit and preach the Word of God?!

Psalm 36 says: There is no fear of God before their eyes.

These men have NO fear of God, no understanding.


And in recent years, the term "grace" has become so corrupt that it is now used as a blanket cover for sin, right across the board in the church of Laodicea. Corrupt ministers even avoid certain passages on the fear of God, usually preaching against it by using the following verses:

2 Timothy 1:7 God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear.

Romans 8:15 Ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear.


These are all wonderful passages – but in their ignorance, these teachers don’t realize that the fear referred to here, is the fear of man, or Satan, or evil, but not the fear of God. The same word used for "fear" in these verses is also used in this one from Hebrews 13:6: which reads: So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do to me." That word is the Greek word phobos, which means phobia, alarm, fright or terror. If you have a phobia for something, then you are literally terrified of that particular thing. You are really scared of it.


I can speak on this fear with absolute authority, since most people have a serious phobia for me, after all I am a dentist.


The Word used when the fear of the Lord is mentioned in the Old Testament is an entirely different word – that word is yir-aw', which refers to a moral fear, to an awesome reverence.



 Now the Bible mentions the fear of the Lord 38 times, common sense says that it must be a critically important issue. How come so much of modern day Christianity has completely lost the fear of the Lord?

 Well what does it really mean to fear the Lord?

 We must start off by reminding ourselves of who the LORD is.

Who is the God of the Bible, this God of Israel?

Turn with me to Exodus 3:

Exodus 3:13-15  Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?"  (14)  God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"  (15)  God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.


Hebrew for "I AM" is YHWH and can be pronounced YAHWEH - that is God's name. Interesting that the Rabbis during the Middle Ages decided that Jews could not say God’s name because it was too sacred, so they added vowels to YHWH, making the name Ye-ho-vah, which is where the name ‘Jehovah’ is derived. Jehovah is essentially a corrupt and contrived version of God’s name. So whenever you see the word LORD in capital letters in your bible, or the word JEHOVAH, the original Hebrew word for that is YHWH – that is God’s name.


And it’s quite important what God’s name actually means, because it describes His nature quite perfectly.

YAHWEH means "the self-existent ONE”. It means that the existence of all creatures depends on me. The existence of all forms of life on this planet depend on me.

How awesome and Almighty is that?

That’s a good enough reason on it’s own to fear Him!


Yahweh is the One and Only God.

He is the Creator and Governor of the universe.

He is the God who desires a covenant relationship with you and with me.

He is the God who loved us through His Son Jesus Christ.


He is the God who spoke to Job and said:

Job 38:4-6 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (5) Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? (6) On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone—

Who said to the sea 'Thus far you shall come, but no farther; And here shall your proud waves stop'?

 Turn with me to Isaiah 40

 Yahweh is the God about whom Isaiah said:

Isaiah 40:13-18  Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, Or has counselled Him?  (14)  With whom did He consult, and who gave Him understanding? And who taught Him in the path of justice and taught Him knowledge And informed Him of the way of understanding?  (15)  Behold, the nations are like a drop from a bucket, And are regarded as a speck of dust on the scales; Behold, He lifts up the islands like fine dust. Verse (17)  All the nations are as nothing before Him, They are regarded by Him as less than nothing and meaningless.  (18)  To whom then will you compare God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?

Are you getting a picture of how awesome this God of ours is?

 Isaiah went on to say….

Isa 43:10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. 11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isa 44: 6  Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Notice that the Lord searched the entire universe from 1st to last and found no allah, no buddha, no krishna, no apollo, no zeus, no holy cows, nor mother of God. He found no-one beside Him.

Yahweh is awesome, almighty, holy, glorious, just, infinite, gracious, merciful, invisible, incomparable, completely wise and completely perfect – a whole list of very good reasons to fear Him.


But what does it actually mean to "fear" this God?

 To put it simply, the fear of the Lord is a deep seated reverence and awe for God, that causes men to want to please Him at all costs.

Genuine fear of the Lord is always seen in obedience to the Word of God.

 Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil;


People who do not walk in line with God's Word do not fear the Lord, regardless of what they profess with their lips.

When we fear the Lord, there is certainly an element of dread at what His wrath can do, but there is also such a reverence and awe for Him and for His will, that nothing else matters but doing that which pleases the Lord.


Oswald Chambers, the Scottish Minister said this: "The remarkable thing about fearing God is that, when you fear God, you fear nothing else; whereas, if you do not fear God, you fear everything else." And that is so true of a Christian, and one of the biggest differences between Christians and unbelievers – that a Christian is not afraid to die.


But lets define this fear of the Lord even further:

Proverbs also says in Chapter 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge:

In Ch 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

And in ch 15:33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom;


Then turn with me to Psalm 111.

Psa 111:10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments; His praise endures forever. Onto Psalm 112…

112:1 Praise the LORD! How blessed is the man who fears the LORD, Who greatly delights in His commandments.


So Fear of the Lord means:

·        a right relationship with God.

·        Fear means a worshiping attitude of praise and thanksgiving.

·        Fear means to walk in God's ways, to delight in His commandments

·        Fear means to follow His Word and His will in your life.

·        Fear means to love the LORD with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength.

·        Fear means to live for the LORD and His glory.


Unless you have the fear of the Lord in you, your sin will always lead you away from Him. Many Christians are not aware of the terrible danger they're in when they continue in sin. Sin will work deceit in your life. The danger is that the longer you continue in sin, the more you're in danger of hardening your heart.


Hebrews 3:12-13 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.


Perhaps at one time you trembled at hearing God's word. The passion you had for His Word melted your heart whenever you heard a fiery-hot sermon, one that you knew was meant especially for you. Your ear was in tune with the Spirit's voice.

But for some time now, you've been flirting with a secret sin and somehow church has become a bit boring?  And now, because sin has worked its deceit in you, you can sit unmoved through any sermon, no matter how convicting it is.





Know one thing for sure, that if you call yourself a Christian and you continue in sin, you will face the rod of God.

Turn with me to Psalm 89:30


Here he is talking about the children of King David….

Psa 89:30  "If his sons forsake My law And do not walk in My judgments,  (31)  If they violate My statutes And do not keep My commandments,  (32)  Then I will punish their transgression with the rod And their iniquity with stripes.  (33)  "But I will not break off My lovingkindness from him, Nor deal falsely in My faithfulness.  (34)  "My covenant I will not violate, Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips.

 If you continue in sin, the Lord is faithful to forgive, but there comes a time when continued sin will kindle the Lord’s wrath and when that happens, you can expect God’s judgement in your life.


We see this truth illustrated vividly in David's life. Consider how the Lord dealt with this man, a faithful servant who really enjoyed God's favour. At one point in his life, David sinned awfully - justifying it and keeping it hidden for months on end. Finally, God said, "Enough" - and he sent a prophet to expose David's sin. Nathan tore apart every excuse David had, until finally he admitted, his sin and his guilt.


But simply admitting sin isn't enough. God not only exposed David - he also laid his divine rod across his servant's back. Of course, we know the Lord always applies his rod in love, because the Bible tells us that whomever the Lord loves, he also disciplines. But David's life clearly shows us that feeling God's rod of correction is no light thing. The stripes it causes are often agonizing. And often the rod falls not only on us, but on our loved ones and those near us as well. It is a grim reminder of the fact that even though we are forgiven, we always have to bear the consequences of our sin.



Consider the direct results of David's sin on those around him:

·        The illegitimate baby he had with Bathsheba died.

·        Thousands of Israelite soldiers under his command were killed in battle.

·        David brought scandal to his country, making Israel a laughing stock in the eyes of its enemies.

And as if that weren't enough agony, David endured endless personal grief because of his sin:

·        He lost the throne of Israel to his rebellious son, Absalom.

·        He was hunted down by Absalom's army like a wild animal.

·        He had to flee into the wilderness from the son he loved so very much.

·        And he wept uncontrollably when Absalom was killed.


David knew all of this could have been avoided. Every painful event was an agonizing reminder of the consequences of his sin. He expressed his unending pain in the Psalms, writing that his soul was in constant torment, that he was cast down in confusion, that his couch was a bed of tears. He cried out in agony, "God, why have you forsaken me?" And he wept in fear, begging the Holy Spirit not to depart from him.


God's rod of conviction brought David to the very brink of his sanity, and also to the very brink of the grave.


If you continue in sin, you'll experience a constant drain of peace and strength.

David wrote in Psalm 31:10 "My strength fails because of my iniquity, and my bones are consumed".

Your sin will slowly drain you. All your energy, peace, joy and strength will drain away until they're gone completely.


And what’s worse, even though you will be weak and tired, you won’t be able to sleep, you won’t find rest. You will have no energy and no strength, but you will also have ….no rest.

In Psalm 38:3 David confessed, "Neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin."


It doesn't matter who you are - if you harbor a secret sin, you'll experience continual disturbances in your life, your home, your family, your work. You'll become increasingly restless, confused, tossed about by endless worries and fears. And all your peace and strength will be drained from you. You won’t find rest and you will be continually exhausted.


If you continue in sin, you eventually become useless to God's kingdom.

This is one of the most awful things imaginable and it happened to King Saul. The Bible tells us in 1 Samuel 13:13, Samuel said to Saul, "You have acted foolishly; you have not kept the commandment of the LORD your God, which He commanded you, for the LORD would have established your kingdom over Israel forever.  (14)  "But now your kingdom will not endure. The LORD has sought out for Himself a man after His own heart, and the LORD has appointed him as ruler over His people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you."

Saul, through sin, became useless to God, and probably lost his salvation.


But there is good news, brothers and sisters… If you’re convinced of the exceeding sinfulness of your sin, you'll be ready for the comfort of the Holy Spirit.

Acts tells us, in Acts 9:31  So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria enjoyed peace, being built up; and going on in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it continued to increase.

As these first-century Christians walked in the fear of God, they received the comfort of the Holy Spirit, the peace of God, that peace that surpasses all understanding.


If you want to walk in the fear of the Lord, then you will need to crucify the flesh. Die to sin. Take those secret sins, uproot them, tear them out and destroy them. If you are born again, you CAN overcome any sin, regardless of how difficult that might seem to you and how many times you have tried. Read your Bible, fast and pray and keep your eyes on Jesus. Keep reminding yourself of his warnings. The Holy Spirit will load up conviction in your heart, bring your sins out into the open, and enable you to cast them far away from you. In doing this, he's laying the foundation to fulfil every one of God's covenant promises to you.


Then, when the fear of God has fully laid hold of you, you'll dread the danger and consequences of sin. And you'll walk every day in this holy fear. Finally, you'll see that all along God has been mercifully at work in you, doing what he promised - delivering you from the dominion and slavery of sin.


In closing, I’d like you to turn to Psalm 34. I know many of you faithful saints in this congregation are going through hard times, suffering for Christ’s sake, and I offer to you this piece of encouragement.


Psalm 34 A Psalm of David

I will bless the LORD at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.  (2)  My soul will make its boast in the LORD; The humble will hear it and rejoice.  (3)  O magnify the LORD with me, And let us exalt His name together.  (4)  I sought the LORD, and He answered me, And delivered me from all my fears.  (5)  They looked to Him and were radiant, And their faces will never be ashamed.  (6)  This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him And saved him out of all his troubles.  (7)  The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear Him, And rescues them.  (8)  O taste and see that the LORD is good; How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him!  (9)  O fear the LORD, you His saints; For to those who fear Him there is no want.  (10)  The young lions do lack and suffer hunger; But they who seek the LORD shall not be in want of any good thing.  (11)  Come, you children, listen to me; I will teach you the fear of the LORD.  (12)  Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good?  (13)  Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit.  (14)  Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.  (15)  The eyes of the LORD are toward the righteous And His ears are open to their cry.  (16)  The face of the LORD is against evildoers, To cut off the memory of them from the earth.  (17)  The righteous cry, and the LORD hears And delivers them out of all their troubles.  (18)  The LORD is near to the brokenhearted And saves those who are crushed in spirit.  (19)  Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the LORD delivers him out of them all.  (20)  He keeps all his bones, Not one of them is broken.  (21)  Evil shall slay the wicked, And those who hate the righteous will be condemned.  (22)  The LORD redeems the soul of His servants, And none of those who take refuge in Him will be condemned.


Amen and thankyou for your time.